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American Tiktok users would rather use ACTUAL Chinese spyware app than Meta. XiaoHongShu (meaning “Little Red Book”) and ChatGPT (for translating the Mandarin only app) are currently #1 and #2 on the App store.
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It would be funny if tiktok just put out a transfer request to everyone’s accounts and then make a new company called toktik and all content gets transferred with any account that opts in. Then the government has to go through the whole process to shut down toktik again.
There’s no process to go through again. The law is in place now. It didn’t Target TikTok specifically by name. It’s based on foreign company ownership and number of US users. I don’t know the specifics though
Pro Tip: Loops is a federated short form video platform.
Doesn’t surprise me though, that most will jump ship to another Chinese spyware instead.Loops is great but it’s not a TikTok replacement for the average TikTok user. The average TikTok user likes TikTok’s algorithms
That is a fair point, but I’ve seen @dansup@mastodon.social talking about what he plans to do about the algorithm to keep privacy-friendly. If I’m not wrong, I recall something along the lines of having the option to self-host your own algorithm recommendation.
Self-hosting your own recommendations would be amazing. I’m on the Testflight waitlist for Loops, hope I can get access soon.
Yeah, that would be dope. An average user probably won’t use it, though. But having the option is great, and for user who don’t opt in for self-hosting probably an option to export their algorithm data would be cool, for things like changing instances.
I would love to have the option to set the algorithm, like if I’m feeling sad use an algorithm that optimizes for happiness, if I’m feeling lazy use an algorithm that optimizes for inspiration, etc. This is the future I want
A lot of them are going to it because it’s Chinese Spyware, just to be petty to the government.
Yep, the sentiment is overwhelmingly what’s so bad about China having our data when Meta does exactly the same if not worse. There’s literal memes about skipping the middleman and sending it directly to China.
Quite a bunch are also learning mandarin to integrate better with them and a lot of chatter about how the divide is entitely made up by the government. The governments are fighting but the people on both sides are nice.
Some culture shock for americans is families in China can actually afford to stock up on food without going broke. Like, a lot of americans are seeing through the US propaganda for the first time.
They might not have free speech there and the guidelines are pretty strict, but one glaring thing is it’s just a good experience there. No arguing, no shitty political takes. The lack of constant negativity and fighting is a breath of fresh air compared to what the american social medias are pushing non-stop because it’s clicks and views and ad money.
I think it’s all a good thing: diversification of social media platforms so you get different perspectives and cultures. We get to see first hand what life really is over there and the reverse as well. And the likelyhood that both the US and China pressure social medias to silence the same discourse is pretty small. You can make fun of Trump and Musk all day there and you won’t mysteriously get burried by the algorithn because Elon pulled some strings to quiet it down. The good stuff has a tendency of being on the other side of borders.
You know the government fucked up big time when thousands of americans are fleeing to Chinese apps and learning the language and all.
Also shockingly getting more gun content than I ever did on TikTok and YouTube, turns out they kinda like guns too minus the shooting schools part.
Holy ideology, Batman!
Huh!?
You heard me.
And it seems to be working… just saw a politician say that they need to re-review the tiktok ban citing rednote
Implementation is too slow - no plug and play app - why would they use it over an app you just need to download to use? I mean same problem as with all federation software: no central guarantors that you will always be able to chat with everyone, too much politics between all instances involved etc. which honestly is the whole point, but that’s not what normies want.
You can also just download loops? Afaik there is only one instance at the moment either way
No App in neither play store nor f-droid nor GitHub with obtainium please provide a link. I registered this morning (EU time so ~10h ago) on the website and still don’t have an admission Email. That’s just not normie friendly to make it a big app, while right now would’ve been the time to fill the maybe void of tiktok, the execution is just too damn sloppy.
Pixelfed app can’t play loops as well btw
I misread that as TikTok banning looming and spent far too much time wondering what looming is. Some sort of viral textile meme …
The Chinese users are actually pretty welcoming and funny
They keep harassing US users for pictures of their cats.
Bro loops is right there
Bro, who downvoted you?? 😂
How dare you point out the obvious correct choice as an alternative.
Simply having the same or similar features alone doesn’t make it a viable replacement. I switched from Instagram to Pixelfed and went from hardly anyone seeing my photography to literally no one seeing it.
The rednote move is mostly a form of protest. People are fully aware its a dumb idea for privacy.
It’s a bad form of protest, because it doesn’t do what protests are meant to do, but okay.
Protests are about bringing visibility about an issue to a wider audience right?
Tons of news coverage, anyone on the app store or play store are seeing the App at the top of the charts, sounds like visibility to me!
Protests have to do more than that to be effective. This issue is already incredibly visible just because of the news media covering the ban. People already know. So the protest doesn’t get people’s attention.
But a good protest provides a lens through which to put the average person in the shoes of those people who are detrimentally affected or trying to effect change.
It also usually inconveniences the institution being protested against, and the people not personally involved to incentivize them to help with a movement.
This doesn’t really tick any of the boxes of a protest from what I can tell but I’ve seen the word protest used to describe it several times.
I’m happy to listen to what the aims of this protest are and what they hope to achieve. Nobody yet has given me much of an answer.
You’re actually one of the few people who have bothered to respond who even seems to know that visibility is an important component of a good protest.
Plenty of discussion happening on tiktok about the reasons and methodology for this, which is where it’s being organized from.
Keep in mind that mass adoption of rednote will force the US to ban it as well, which provides another opportunity in the future to bring more visibility to the authoritarianism by which the US government is operating this ban. It also sets a precedent for any other things the US government might target. There’s a lot of speculation that other games and apps owned partially or majority by ByteDance will be next, like Epic games, League of Legends, etc. If the rednote jump proves to be a successful method for continuing the conversation, then gamers and users of other services that are banned in the future could see that as a blueprint for their own acts of civil disobedience.
We will see what happens, but if every time the US government bans an app or platform, the people just move onto something even worse for the US governments desires (and especially if we move to something that won’t give profits to US companies), then it becomes a tactic the US government will have to abandon. So, more accurately, this is a large act of civil disobedience. Wanna ban tiktok? Great, we’ll just go to an actual Chinese-influenced place that actually has Chinese government surveillance
It isn’t as good as blocking city infrastructure, no, but it’s certainly going to make a lot of shareholders of Meta and other US social media angry that people aren’t flocking back to their apps. It also stands a chance of ensuring US officials who signed the tiktok ban and then bought Meta stock won’t see a profit from their actions.
A protest on the streets isn’t likely going to move the needle on tiktok. The only successful street protests (and barely successful at that) on a national level in recent times have been the BLM protests. The Free Palestine protests haven’t been unsuccessful, but they also haven’t really moved the needle either. Protesting on the streets runs an ever increasing risk of police violence and retribution by the surveillance state. And with the trump administration signaling it plans to green light further police violence against protesters, up to bringing in the military, that may not even be viable in the future.
Moving to something like Loops would absolutely be a better option, both because of it being part of the fediverse and therefore not controlled directly by any government, and because it’s not likely to get banned. The fact that rednote will absolutely get banned once it reaches the threshold of users is not going to endear anyone who doesn’t use tik tok to the movement. You don’t explain what they’re organizing or how the move to rednote makes the government look bad. If people don’t care about tik tok they aren’t going to care about rednote or the government banning it as well.
The US Government is not going to get tired of banning these apps. It doesn’t cost them much of anything. The “tik tok” ban already has the terminology built into the relevant clauses to ban any app beholden to a hostile foreign power that is a threat to national security with a certain number of users. They’ll just add this to the list. People will use a VPN and give their data to China or Russia or whoever and get hacked because the average person is stupid about online security at the best of times.
This doesn’t inconvenience the government, doesn’t inconvenience the average person who doesn’t use tik tok, doesn’t really detrimentally effect anyone but the people protesting, and I can’t even say it’s bringing awareness because nobody knows that’s the plan. People are moving but the motives are opaque to those who don’t use the app/aren’t active in the movement.
You haven’t explained how this “protest” actually ticks any of the boxes for being an effective protest and that makes me think you probably don’t have that answer which is fine.
As for public protest “in the streets” I certainly wasn’t suggesting that because I don’t think that will work in this instance.
Like I said, we will see if it ends up having an effect. In the absence of other valid options, becoming ungovernable is the only reasonable option. Perhaps you have better ideas? I don’t know if it’s going to make a difference, but I’m not about to pretend I’m any better equipped to plan action to fight the constitutional abuses of the US government with a loosely organized group of social media users.
The “tik tok” ban already has the terminology built into the relevant clauses to ban any app beholden to a hostile foreign power that is a threat to national security with a certain number of users. They’ll just add this to the list.
Tiktok users are aware of this, especially the ones participating in this.
It’s not just about rednote, either. The other compinent is boycotting Meta products. There is also a simultaneous effort to push people to follow tiktok creators on YouTube or bluesky, and not on facebook/threads/Instagram. There is also a mass understanding that this is all interim and not long term.
Moving to something like Loops would absolutely be a better option, both because of it being part of the fediverse and therefore not controlled directly by any government, and because it’s not likely to get banned.
Loops is 0% ready for people. I’m on loops. I hope it’ll be viable in the future. It’s taken loops months to send out beta access invites. How in the world could it handle several thousand up to 150 million users RIGHT NOW.
The fediverse isn’t viable yet for the vast majority of people, especially creatoes with big followings. It can’t even keep up in moderating for its existing user base, it doesnt have rhe tools that people with thens of thousands of followers would need to sort through their interactions, and it couldn’t handle a mass influx of millions. Especially loops. Even Mastadon would cumble if its userbase went up by 50 million right now.
The fediverse is absolutely a long term solution and I’m hopeful for it, but there are some major gaps in onboarding, moderation, and scaling that prevent it from being a viable option rn. As it grows stronger it’ll be able to serve that need.
The fact that rednote will absolutely get banned once it reaches the threshold of users is not going to endear anyone who doesn’t use tik tok to the movement. You don’t explain what they’re organizing or how the move to rednote makes the government look bad. If people don’t care about tik tok they aren’t going to care about rednote or the government banning it as well.
There are up to 150 million Americans on tiktok, and basically any creators of significance are widely talking about this there. You could go see yourself. If only 1/6 of the user base sees the information that means the average American is 6 degrees or less of separation from someone who does care. Its got a wider reach than you think. Just because you don’t understand the method of organizing doesn’t mean it’s bad.
US Spyware app, Chinese Spyware app, whatever its all the same.
Even our spyware is bloody branded. Cant wait for the British ones.
It already existed. They called it Bebo before it went Bebust.
Be the change you wish to see in the world! Just fork loops , add data collection, trackers, and whatever backdoor the government asks you and call it something like ‘Innit!’. Simple as.
It’s just like TikTok, but if you don’t drink milk in your tea, you will be exposed to corrective content as needed
What the fuck are people doing
Sticking their middle fingers to the government? I even saw a trend where people were talking about live streaming on red note and just walking through all the government buildings near them.
Sticking their middle finger to the government so they can keep using another government’s spyware?
Ok.
What does the Chinese government care what I say about the American government?
What can they do to me anyway?
Nothing says sticking it to the government like some treason, right guys? /s
After the 6th of Jan, I can’t be convinced that the USA takes treason seriously.
Lol, I just got flamed in a Lemmy.ml community for condemning this shit
I mean it’s pretty funny, innit?
It’s a Chinese app what of it?
Am I missing something? Nothing in the ML thread you were in reads remotely close to flaming to me.
User could’ve been referring to:
Oh hi, you’re awake from your coma. A lot has happened in the last 40 years. Culottes came back, but are already out of fashion again. There’s more, but I’m not sure where to start.
Yeah, I suppose that may be it. Thanks for the insight.
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People should realize though that Red Note has actually been around since 2013 and is not a new app. WHat might be new is their owners may be more dedicated to replacing TIktok due to what been happening to TIktok in the u.s of late.
- Chinese = Bad
- Russian = Bad
- Iran = Bad
- USA = We are the only good guys.
imagine my surprise at learning this comment came from lemmy.ml
USA = We are the only good guys.
Nobody but the gov itself and right-wing nutjobs is saying that.
It is in fact possible to criticize China, Russia, Iran AND the US at the same time
They are all complacent in crimes and human rights violations in one form or another
Yeah, but one of those governments can get you right now.
The other one has to cross international borders.
Honestly, using a foreign social media site is a hilarious move.
If I wanted to criticize the government, especially my own, I can see the reasoning behind using a foreign platform to do it on.
Domestic companies prefer foreign companies be banned. Competition is bad for business after all.
Lol. Everyone is the bad guy. The ruling oligarchy of every nation is horrendous.
Tug o war works because the rope is strong enough to withstand the pull. In online political tug o war, you’re the rope. Most people would naturally dislike the folks trying to turn them into rope.
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