EDIT: GO DM MODS OF YOUR FAVORITE SUBREDDITS AND POLITELY ASK ABOUT MIGRATION!: something as simple as “Hey, I love this community but I no longer use reddit, will you guys be making a community on Kbin or other alternatives? Let me know please, thanks.” will work!! We need more voices encouraging migration!
ModCodeofConduct switching subs to SFW
POST ABOUT MODS FORCIBLY SWITCHING SUBS BACK TO SFW (teddit)
“What the users want” my ass. Reddit doesn’t give 2 shits about what the users want.
edit:
r/interestingasfuck removed as well
Tbh everyone just needs to leave reddit
Let the bots take over
It’s always been Stormfront 2.0 anyway
Fuck reddit
Yes, at this point, there is really no fucking saving it or hoping for changes, they will go as far as they need to go to get their profits back up. It must be abandoned. The only time I ever spend on reddit is to convince people to migrate to kbin or lemmy (nicely, dont be annoying)
I find that a large majority of redditors are still somehow completely clueless about what’s happening.
So I made this little summary of events inviting confused redditors to lemmy/kbin if anyone wants to copy/paste; seems to get people to understand.
@OtakuAltair At this point I don’t care about redittors or reddit. It can go on to be wildly successful, doesn’t matter to me, I’ve moved on.
Username checks out?
Alot of us wouldn’t be on here either if it wasn’t explained to us; I think the confused people deserve at least an explanation too
Same. It’s like being over an ex. I don’t have to care anymore.
Unfortunately, the majority will not care. Reddit’s app ranks first in iOS’ app store after Twitter. This is what Reddit wants, people to stop using third-party apps so that they can easily target ads to users.
Even a small portion of users switching to Lemmy/kbin (like us) will mean more competition in the long run.
Specially with great looking ios apps like Artemis in the works that you could easily recommend
And sell their data.
I had no idea lemmy was a thing until r/piracy. More big subs need to switch
And more people to copy/paste summaries like that! People can’t switch if they don’t know.
I made my Lemmy account when Spez killed the Chapo sub. Now I’m glad it has more content.
What really worked for me was the https://sub.rehab website. When I found that, it made me realize I need to stick with the people who actually built the subs I love – the mods. Here I am.
this is great! thank you!
Yup. The good ui really helps sell how big the move is
Amazing, thank you for posting this.
My issue with all of this is everything is scattered all over the place now. Many of my followed reddit subs are on lemmy and then some are on other platforms and it’s too much to keep track of. So my followed content is going to drop off a lot in general - I refuse to sign up for Lemmy. The name alone annoys me.
as long as they move to federated sites, its fine, you can access them all from kbin as usual. but if they decide to make their own site, or go somewhere centralized (ew) then yea, not much we can do abt that
It’s always been Stormfront 2.0 anyway
Exception taken.
Don’t get me wrong: it has been an absolute dogshit downward spiral for at least the last five years, but what it has become bares almost no resemblance to what it was 15 years ago - or even 8 years ago.
It had great potential and utility. All of it squandered via some of the worst decisions possible. Each of which ignored the current user base in favor of a quick buck.
It needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.
Echoing: Fuck Reddit.
When I joined in 2011, it was already a bastion of pedophilia and bigotry, so I’m not sure which era you’re talking about
In my experience, reddit has always been a dogshit web site
I understand now, and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.
That type of content comes with the territory, and could easily be avoided until relatively recently if you didn’t go looking for it.
What was arguably the most diverse and far reaching collection of individual message boards cannot be filed away as a hyperbolic monolith of the perceived horrors such a place will inevitably contain.
Whatever your interest, reddit had a lively discussion for it. The cancer you describe is a result of the society it allowed to publish. Further, it metastisized from it’s self-contained cesspools when they were closed.
It’s clear that either your experience on the site is narrow, while the site is extremely wide - or you’re retconning your prior experience based upon your current opinion.
You know how there are posts all over Reddit (and even all over here) saying “what’s with the porn on r/interestingasfuck?” or “I don’t know what’s going on with John Oliver”?
It’s because of them that the “protests” must continue. Raising awareness is the point. Only a small percentage even know what’s going on.
Reddit would love for everyone to quietly go away, they’ll pretend nothing happened and move on with a small chunk of users missing but still growing.
I just deleted my reddit account. Fuck that bs.
I’ve overwritten anything useful from mine, and I’ll be deleting mine after June 30. Not that I am using reddit, but I want to contribute to that drop in users that will come once 3PA are disabled.
they won’t
i tried to move my 100k subscriber sub to kbin (i also offered two different chatrooms)
6 came to kbin and people started attacking me for having the sub closed (one person even resorted to transphobia like jesus fucking christ) and being “political” and one person even made their own version of my subreddit
moving is too much work (it’s actually not that much work, but since we now need two videos playing at the same time and can only watch those vids for 30 seconds, everything is “too much work”). that’s why people are still on facebook, twitter, instagram, and tiktok.
i’m very glad there’s an acceptable amount of activity on the “threadiverse” right now… but i just don’t have hope that everyone will leave.
I think your post demonstrates that it’s a good thing everyone won’t be coming here.
kbin has seemed pretty chill so far
Right. Who wants to have a community full of those kinds of people.
I’m not sure what the skill issue is on that sub, but I, a moron, had no more trouble coming here than I did navigating reddit
Those are either bootlickers or bots, who can safely be disregarded
74% of reddit were ignorant assholes anyway, so no loss
@okbin@kbin.social it’s ok, people will gradually move out as Reddit deteriorates. Eventually most interesting people will be elsewhere, the platform will still exist but it will be an empty shell.
The important thing is for threadiverse to take flight and acquire a sustainable size, the rest will happen in time.Guessing it’s an owl house sub judging by your profile pic?
nope. BPDmemes… which is just fucking sad because BPD is associated with identity issues including gender identity, so in some sense being transphobic can be ableist in that context as well.
i’m letting it go, they were probably just really dysregulated (as is the nature of this illness). but i did ban them for all of pride month.
however, my friend and i HAVE seen transphobia in the owl house community and we don’t understand??? there are literally multiple trans characters on the show like why would you be transphobic if you’re a fan you. walnut
Reddit’s relevance came from the people that used the app, not the app itself. If Reddit wants to fuck over the people that made the app what it is today, they will end up useless.
Reddit is not like Twitter in that it thrived from mass population of people using it. It thrived from quality users that provided quality content.
Ehhh. I think that there’s value to having a large userbase. First, a large userbase means that there are going to tend to be more people to provide quality content. Second, some people contribute content because they want to reach a large audience – I understand that this is one reason that /r/askhistorians decided not to participate.
None of this is to say that this won’t have a negative impact on Reddit. And I think that the observation, which I’ve seen some other places, is that these changes probably disproportionately impacts people who were contributing content. Just that I don’t think that one can reduce the value of having a large userbase to nil either.
I just hope this Reddit migration doesn’t turn out like South Park’s Walmart skit lol. The town boycotts walmart and then supports a small business only for it to become walmart too:
it wont happen because the fediverse is decentralized. if this instance goes to shit, we simply move on to another, without needing to abandon the entire platform
That is mildly interesting.
This is why I don’t want to push too hard to bring the masses here. If every derp from reddit shows up it’s just going to dilute the quality of lemmy.
Agreed.
Ironically this API issue will kill bots, which was needed.
It will only slow them temporarily you don’t need api for bots
Yeah, it’ll only kill the useful ones in the long run.
Yeah. The unethical bots will just use scrapers, as they already do for the many websites that don’t offer APIs. They’re already violating ToS, so they don’t care. Ethical ones won’t have that option (at least not past the fairly low quota).
Correct. Now the bots will be constantly scraping the pages of every post which will be a much bigger burden on their servers.
It’s funny, years ago websites switched to openly available APIs specifically to lessen server burden because of bots. Now they’re swapping away from APIs because of bots, but those bots are just gonna go back to scraping.
Sounds like Reddit has a skill issue.
Exactly spez forgot why they needed an api
From my understanding, they already aren’t using the API.
If the spam bots were using the API, then Reddit would have been able to shut them down trivially. Part of logging in via API requires a “client ID” that uniquely identifies the creator of the app/bot being used.
They could theoretically have each bot account create its own client ID, but even that would be a pretty obvious thing to look for.
Spam bots don’t really need the API access level that calls for the increased fees.
Nah bots will still function
You think they’re asking permission to access the API? lol
I’m eager to see how reddit becomes a steaming turd after June 30th, that imbecile is gonna end up with nothing of value in his hands. Let’s see where that profit comes from then
It will be another giant soulless site for the masses to endlessly scroll and see the same tired reposts and memes. They’re welcome to it.
Yep, finally using this site lol. Admins have gone full dictator over there.
So we get a boost and upvote here eh? Neat
Upvote = Like
Boost = RetweetWhich I still find weird because I never followed anyone on my anti-social media anyway.
My understanding is that upvotes don’t do anything themselves, boost functions like a reddit upvote in that it will bring a comment or article to the top of the queue. I use it as a ‘people should see this’ button.
You can think of kbin as a hybrid of Lemmy and Mastodon (and it federates with both through ActivityPub). It has interfaces both for communities (magazines) and for uncategorized posts/status updates/tweets (microblogs).
@LinkOpensChest_wav @minnieo delete all your posts and comments first. I did it manually … it was interesting to all those bits float by.
I used Power Delete Suite, and I overwrote my comments instead of merely deleting. That makes the data even less useful to reddit.
@LinkOpensChest_wav That makes total sense in order to make reddit less valuable. It only took me an hour and I did it manually because wanted to see my comments – there were many kind and interesting things I wrote. It was kind of sad and it also felt right to just go.
The only good that can truly come of this at this stage is sabotaging Huffman’s hopes of cashing out for a second time, after he sold his stake for a ““mere”” 10 million back in the day.
Imagine having more money than anyone can spend in a lifetime and users who create the content for you. All you have to do is sit on your ass and do and say nothing, but then imagine what a pants-on-head stupid fool you’d have to be to do anything to mess that up, to let your ego totally disrupt the sweet deal you’ve got going. That’s Steve Huffman – the king of all losers.
That is the solution.
PSA: The shitty website this person mentioned bears NO RESEMBLANCE to reddit.
It’s always been S---------- 2.0 anyway
that is a really fucked up thing to say. idk who you are or what are your motivations.
making an equivalency between reddit and a 100% white supremacist nazi website is:
a) promoting that website
b) saying that website is similar to reddit. Does S----------- have the variety of users and topics as reddit? No! Whatever your criticism of reddit, however over tolerant reddit was of some really shitty communities, it was not founded explicitly and exclusively as a way of promoting genocide and violence.
Your comparison serves only to uplift S------------. Which may or may not be your intention.
It’s been overrun by white supremacists since I first joined in 2011, and that’s never changed.
Check any popular sub on r/all, and they’re the prevailing voice that’s never silenced. r/PublicFreakout, r/mildlyinfuriating, r/interestingasfuck, r/AskReddit and r/unpopularopinion are just a few examples of subreddits where white supremacists run rampant. It’s so bad that I deleted my first account due to receiving weekly homophobic death threats, which went ignored by the mods and admins.
Reddit has always been a bastion of white supremacy and pedophilia under the guise of “free speech.” That’s demonstrably true. The whole “leans left” thing is just more propaganda.
Edit: I maintain that reddit was founded specifically to platform hate speech. It’s certainly been consistently pursuing that goal
But you are correct in saying that reddit is not the same as Stormfront. It is much worse than Stormfront in that most users don’t perceive the white supremacist subtext in the majority of threads on popular subs
Were we even using the same site? What the fuck are you talking about?
I could see some disgruntled users intentionally trolling and spamming the subs just to trash it in revenge for what Reddit is doing to them.
did you see that one guy’s hairy butthole? lmao
Also … Reddit is a private business where people were allowed to come in to chat and talk … don’t act surprised when the owners and managers change their minds for whatever reason and decide to kick you out.
It’s the company’s space, like the lobby of a shopping mall … people are freely allowed to come in, sit down and chat … don’t be surprised if the owners of the mall decide one day that they no longer like you any more and bring security in to escort you out.
You have no rights or privileges on a private social media site … you have temporary permissions … and those can be changed, disregarded, forgotten or done away with at the discretion of the owners at any time for any reason.
LEAVE REDDIT … you’re on someone else’s lawn and they don’t like you any more.
Stormfront 2.0? lol what?
Jesus, this is escalating fast. I never actually thought admins would go to such crazy lengths. Such pathetic desperation!
I fully expected Reddit to fight dirty, but it’s still surreal watching the iron hand come down against the community. Silver lining, I hope this helps accelerate the migration to the fediverse.
I remember ten years ago sharing beers with admins who visited London. Back when there was a push for developing local communities and Global Reddit Meetup Day. There was good vibes and a feeling of mutual respect.
I met my wife through Reddit.
I still have so much affection for the site in my heart.
It’s just wild to me how much has changed.
Really glad I never got that Snoo tattoo now.
Reddit isn’t the first online community I watched outgrow itself into the grave. I guess it’s just the cycle of social media. Here’s hoping this time’s different.
Myspace, Livejournal, Facebook, Digg, Twitter, Reddit
The exact reason not to get tattoos of weird corporate shit.
We knew that this was a possibility since day one. The mods took a stand anyways, risking it all for the community. Still a shame to see it happen.
What’s there to risk? Their unpaid labor? This is what spez doesn’t seem to realize
Well, getting locked out is no fun. But yeah, you’re right, reddit loses out more (on the unpaid labour of love).
“The protests didn’t do anything”
“Waaah, my ad reveue 😭”
Spez: ‘Reddit is a democracy!’
Also Spez:
iS tHiS hOw I bUilD gOoDwIlL wItH vOlUnTeEr MoDs?
That’s the fun part, now they have to actually find folks to effectively moderate that sub.
You’ll just get a bunch of opportunist Dr. Breens.
u/spez is a Dictator
Looks like they did the same with /r/interestingasfuck
RIP Reddit lol
I sorted by new and the nsfw posts are coming in as of 1 hour ago.
If Reddit is taking the mantle of determining valid content and is editing and changing posts for users without their consent, doesn’t that run the risk they fall afoul of the Safe Harbor clause of DMCA?
IMO they’re getting mighty close to editorial control.
You are definitely onto something. Section 230 is what keeps Reddit alive, get rid of Section 230 protection of reddit GG.
Best course of action, file a complaint that Reddit Inc. Filed falsified documents with the Supreme Court on January 2023. They should not be able to use section 230 as a form of defense anymore, now that Reddit has constantly removed mods and interfered with subbreddits. FYI I modded the original r/EASportsFC and Reddit admins gifted to it r/fifa been looking into this for awhile, but I also eat crayons and not a laywer.
Filed January 2023 with Supreme Court
Reddit, Inc. is a community of online communities.
Reddit provides a platform for Internet users (called
“Redditors”) to connect with each other in communities (called “subreddits”) that are based on shared interests. 2 Reddit is one of the most popular sites on the Internet, with more than 50 million active users every day. But Reddit’s
approach to content moderation makes it different
from many social media companies. As explained below, Reddit relies on a bottom-up, community-based approach where individual users—not the company—take the lead.Redditors create and organize their own subreddits devoted to their specific interests. They establish their own rules governing what content is acceptable within their subreddit. And those rules are enforced by users themselves.Redditors also directly control the degree to which user-generated content items like posts, comments, and
media are visible on the platform. The display of content on Reddit is thus primarily driven by humans—not by centralized algorithms.https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-902-1996-amendments-18-usc-1001
Tldr - fuck reddit.
Ooh, an interesting theory, though we’d need an actionable scenario to test it. But in theory …I think so. Moderation itself no, filtering posts or editing out words or phrases no, but editing posts in a way that changes the intent / message might run afoul of Section 230. Unclear if the courts would apply it per post or for Reddit as a whole, though.
I have to add though that the form of protest proposed by that mod team is pathetic.
“only YOUR pictures of suggestive vegetables, must still be OC”
Either shut the sub down or burn that shit down by turning it into a porn sub. This little “we’re gonna be creative, we’re gonna allow suggestive vegetables!” mischief is pathetic af.
I mean the fact it was a pathetic protest method and and admins still shot it down speaks leagues about how much they care about their users. I don’t say this word lightly: the admins are snowflakes.
Marking the sub as nsfw affects their ad revenue, that’s is the only reason they care.
Doing stuff like posting pictures of suggestive veg or John Oliver seems like a way for mods to protest without driving as many users away.
Outrageous! We should invite the mod team here
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“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” - Frank Zappa
That’s it. We are not free, just free range.
Night of the Long Knives, Reddit Edition.
The dumbfuck bootlickers who’re “yay my content coming back” are fucking cringe. I hope the new people who mod the subs are alt-right trash who will push their shitty ideology onto the subs.
Good riddance.
I had some awards left, and I gave them to the shittiest most harmful spambots I could find on r/all
That web site can eat my ass
Surely they can’t survive after this, right? Like, people can’t be okay with this.
I guess they’re betting on most casual users to just not notice or care enough
Exactly this, unfortunately.
And they’re right. Let them have Reddit, they deserve it.
It’s staggering the amount of people that are fine with things and just want it to go back to normal
Too many users on reddit love this because they hate mods and think reddit is somehow going to get rid of moderation when reddit is trying to be advertiser friendly.
Just a handful of people will know, so it doesn’t matter.
Look, there are 30 million r/pics subscribers and 50,000 voted to go SJO. Reddit is mostly lurkers and scrollers, and they provide nothing but the eyeballs. 80% of the front page (and I’m being generous) could be completely recreated using only meme/pic/video reposts and newscrawler bots posting stories from the top 40 retail news outlets (let’s face it - every WaPo, Hill, Verge, etc. story gets posted by a “user” within minutes of publication already).
The old reddit was interaction based. New reddit is mindless media consumption. We’re better here and the thumbflickers can join us or not but they don’t add anything to the fediverse except cost. It will take a couple of years to transition, but if the people who value help and discourse can stick it out here for 6 months we really will have a better reddit. With blackjack and hookers, too.
People are ok with this and even if not, they’ll forget it in a few months. Remember when YouTube removed the dislike button? Or surveys? Or forced more ads onto its users?
Nobody is talking about that anymore (except maybe the ads part)
There’s no real alternative to YouTube. An aggregator is not as novel or as complex as a video hosting service with millions of channels with huge productions and followings. This is also a lot bigger than a thumbs down button.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
The most mindboggling thing about all of this to me is if Reddit had just improved their own app to be up to par with the multitude of 3rd party apps out there, none of this would have been an issue. They could’ve migrated everyone over to the official app easily with just a better experience. If a single person can wrangle an app together that outperforms the official one in a month, Reddit has no excuses. Personally, I’m delighted all of this has happened, as it’s allowed for multiple viable alternatives to be populated. Which I’ve been wanting for a very very long time.
It really could have been a symbiotic relationship with the third party app devs. But Reddit went all psycho and seems to have taken the API push back personally.
Making a better user experience is fundamentally incompatible with Reddit’s goal, which is to forcibly milk users for ad impressions. A first-party app better then the third-party ones was never going to happen.
