Can the whole world stop fucking sucking so god damned bad for five fucking minutes?
I’m sorry, the best they can do is double down
Wow. That’s obviously an appeasement strategy towards orangeboi and the nationalist Christians.
Hey Brits, remember how things turned out when Chamberlain appeased the Germans? Remind me again how that one played out?
The courts in the UK are not politicised like in the US.
“Judges say the “concept of sex is binary” while cautioning that the landmark ruling should not be seen as victory of one side over another”
They interpret the law as it’s written (I.e. about sex, not gender), so to change this you would need a new law. It’s not supposed to be a moral judgement.
Decades of gender = sex in legal wording, documents and policy makes it very difficult to detangle the intent of what is meant by sex or gender in each case.
This particularly undermimes obtaining a GRC which updates the specifically labelled ‘Sex’ field on a birth certificate. So now we can have people with legal documents stating their ‘Sex’ being barred from same sex spaces aligning with their documentation.
Yeah it’s going to be a legal mess for a while and I do sympathise with people who are affected. Something for parliament(s) to sort out.
In which case the ruling, even if one was to accept it as a valid interpretation, let alone its effect on people involved, is arse backwards and has the potential to cause significant harm in the short term.
The Supreme Court doesn’t make the rules, it makes a determination on what the rules mean in context of the body of law. It’s not their fault that Parliament passed a badly worded law. It’s a positive step that the law has been clarified, and now the changes needed can be identified.
Exactly.
There are lots of people in this thread who aren’t familiar enough with how the UK system works (understandably, because it’s not a UK community). A lot of those people have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
It makes me wonder how often I get the wrong end of the stick when it comes to US/international politics etc.
I shamefully know more about US politics and justice systems than I do about the UK.
It’s just everywhere, on every social platform.
I’m fully aware of how the system works, thank you very much for explaining at me. I’m saying the ruling itself is arse backwards and jumps to a lot of baseless and genuinely misogynistic conclusions. It is difficult to read it as an objective clarification on anything, let alone a positive one.
Wow, what foresight they had to appease Trump 6 years before he was elected… This law was written in 2010. The ruling clarified that a more recent Scottish law which relied on this one did so by misinterpreting that law’s definition of women.
As to Chamberlain, at the time of the Munich agreement, the Luftwaffe had the most advanced air force in the world, while the RAF were only equipped with biplanes. Chamberlain bought time for the development and manufacture of armaments, significantly the Spitfire and Hurricane, and in the event it was just enough time, with losses in the Battle of Britain barely being outstripped by replacements. So yeah, turned out alright.
That’s obviously an appeasement strategy towards orangeboi and the nationalist Christians
It’s not. This conflict has been going on since long before Trump took office.
It’s really sad, but UK is a lot like USA politically. UK
firstalone or USAfirstalone. There’s not really that much difference.
Brexit or MAGA Both represent an idea of exceptionalism about themselves, and disregard for emigrants and minorities.USA is worse, but the principle is the same.
Forget it, Britain might as well be under Norsefire rule at this point. The “left” are now in charge and they’re hardly distinguishable from the tories who robbed them blind for a decade.
“But we counsel against reading this judgment as a triumph for one or more groups in our society at the expense of another - it is not.”
Yes it is. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t have said this to assure people:
The Supreme Court said trans people - whether trans women or men - would not be disadvantaged by its decision as the Equality Act afforded them protection against discrimination or harassment.
The UK has already created a “scapegoat class” of people whose appearance makes their minority status obvious in many cases and those who were rightfully reprimanded for unlawful discrimination are now retroactively suing their former employers.
In an example of the ruling’s potential impact, a Scottish health organisation that is being sued by a nurse it suspended over her response to a trans woman using a female changing room said it had noted the judgment.
This type of thing is going to further affect trans people’s access to homeless shelters and healthcare, at minimum. I wonder what’s going to happen when the cis women realize that banning trans people from their spaces didn’t actually fix anything and their husbands, boyfriends, and colleagues are still groping, beating, and forcing themselves on them.
These statements make it all the more maddening. How can you say it’s not a triumph for one side while they literally toast champagne on your doorstep. Fucking old cunts, you know you’ll all be dead soon and we’ll just change the law anyway.
I wonder what’s going to happen when the cis women realize that banning trans people from their spaces didn’t actually fix anything and their husbands, boyfriends, and colleagues are still groping, beating, and forcing themselves on them.
That’s ridiculous. Why would you think that the TERFs believed that banning trans people would stop all groping, beatings or rape? They’re defending their safe spaces. They want the safe spaces for a reason.
I am aware of the reality that banning trans people doesn’t stop abuse. I am rhetorically musing about how the people who genuinely believe this may react upon learning their problems have not been magically solved by the vocal radfems pushing the notion that trans women are unsafe.
You know, like the Trump voters who were shocked that he cut social spending because they’re living paycheck-to-paycheck? A “leopards ate my face” moment.
Is there an explicit vent space for trans people to talk about this topic? I am sick of being criticised for being upset that the world seems to hate my existence and trying to deal with it through commentary.
I am aware of the reality that banning trans people doesn’t stop abuse.
It seems like you’re talking about something different. Originally, you were talking about cis people who thought banning trans people would stop their husbands, etc., being abusive. In other words, that banning trans people would stop all abuse. It seems like what you’re talking about here is something different: not all abuse but only some abuse.
the people who genuinely believe this may react upon learning their problems have not been magically solved
Why do you think there are people who believe that banning trans people will stop all abuse?
From a layperson’s POV, this will seem to require years of untangling the law to properly give LGBTQ+ people their due rights under the law that is in theory afforded to everyone. This is a setback for immediate protections, but my view is that this isn’t necessarily bad in the long term, so long as corrective steps are taken to address the root issue.
UK law has been written and interpreted over hundreds of years with various historical understandings of personhood throughout that time. At one point basically only men were people, so laws were only referring to them. After the affirmation of women’s rights and suffrage, should we have just said: women are “men” for every intent and purpose, and just not bothered to update the law and keep using “men” everywhere thereafter? It seems similar to me that tacking trans people’s rights on by making the definitions more ambiguous is fine early on, but at some point should be codified better in law, to give equal right to trans men, trans women and non-binary folks as to cisgender folks. Ignoring the difference of gender vs. sex under the law entirely, would leave gaps in serving trans and nonbinary people’s unmet needs as well. None of this will happen on its own, so allies of LGBTQ+ people ought to contact their MP to make it happen.
I’m not oblivious to the harm to both women and transgender people that this ruling will bring upon the UK, but it should spur on actually solving the issues on codifying gender and sex under the law, rather than relying on half-solutions or temporary solutions.
I’d happily be educated on this topic.
This is a setback for immediate protections, but my view is that this isn’t necessarily bad in the long term, so long as corrective steps are taken to address the root issue.
There will be no corrective steps.
it should spur on actually solving the issues
It won’t, because it was brought about to achieve the exact opposite
There will be no corrective steps.
Okay, noted, thanks. There will never be any corrective steps as long we avoid thinking of any.
There will not be any corrective steps anytime soon, because the UK government, who would need to implement those steps, is actively disinclined to make them, because even though it’s less transphobic than the previous government, it is still doing transphobia for political reasons.
This is a setback for immediate protections, but my view is that this isn’t necessarily bad in the long term, so long as corrective steps are taken to address the root issue.
UK is notoriously anti-trans so the main issue is hoping for it to get better is just a wee bit of a pipe dream.
So we’re deciding gender = sex? Got it….
Unbelievable.
